tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post6643428654253347327..comments2023-11-05T01:32:11.180-08:00Comments on RDOA: Update IV CPC Rank Pay Case: 25 July 2013RDOAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05575057432350340665noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-34191646313174629012013-07-29T10:20:56.706-07:002013-07-29T10:20:56.706-07:00What can be uprooted from treeless desert plains?
...What can be uprooted from treeless desert plains?<br /><br />But the lesson worked.<br /><br />The critter stopped using italics.<br /><br />This blog post is done. Time to move to meaningful and civilised discussions.<br />corona8https://www.blogger.com/profile/14443791458911191943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-57589814277272431012013-07-29T08:28:40.646-07:002013-07-29T08:28:40.646-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.corona8https://www.blogger.com/profile/14443791458911191943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-30624718759403908142013-07-29T06:00:49.097-07:002013-07-29T06:00:49.097-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Giohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014074073678521811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-4319977060324229592013-07-29T05:54:58.584-07:002013-07-29T05:54:58.584-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10192867696697852328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-85813501807475855692013-07-28T20:13:30.282-07:002013-07-28T20:13:30.282-07:00@Gio @Amal Sarkar: "..Does anybody else have?...@Gio @Amal Sarkar: <i>"..Does anybody else have?"</i><br /><br />Two points:<br /><br />In an online forum, the normal convention for using italics is when a part of the text from someone else's comment is being reproduced for giving a reply to, as I've done here and not <b>usually</b> for giving emphasis as @Gio has done. Still, newbies are given latitude in that manner of things.<br /><br />Secondly, why would people continue to derail logic and steer a discussion towards a point where it becomes a discussion of the uninformed and ignorant. I had submitted a point how AFs can't get a judgement <i>"implemented"</i> when they themselves are not litigants.<br /><br />Is there a case here of Chairman COSC Vs. UOI? Has such a case ever been there? Can it ever be there? There are several easily understandable words to describe thinking that would conjure up such notions, but best not to use them.<br /><br />Of course, it's RDOA's discretion to permit comments regardless of how dense these might appear to the meanest intellect. I had made a simple point on the matter <a href="http://rdoaindia.blogspot.com/2013/07/update-iv-cpc-rank-pay-case-25-july-2013.html?showComment=1374900675281#c8618292538320516173" rel="nofollow"><b>back there</b></a>.<br /><br /> corona8https://www.blogger.com/profile/14443791458911191943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-29548137083033915382013-07-28T09:20:17.805-07:002013-07-28T09:20:17.805-07:00Gio,
Tell your friend that Armd Forces are capable...Gio,<br />Tell your friend that Armd Forces are capable to ensure order given by highest court of the land are implemented in letter and spirit.But in a democratic set up people of India won,t like it as it will amount to mutiny and ----.Armd forces are true patriotic and they don,t want enemies to take advantages out of it.Tell him, Why can,t you civilians mobilise public opinion and highlight the truth to people of India about the injustice meted out to Defence Forces by the present Govt.Amal Sarkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04410462541918553008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-35957928734920335282013-07-28T06:53:58.609-07:002013-07-28T06:53:58.609-07:00My Civ friend says,
"If India's Armed Fo...My Civ friend says,<br /><br /><b>"If India's Armed Forces are NOT in a position to get even an order given by the highest Court of the land implemented in their favour then I'm afraid we are grossly overstating Indian Armed Forces's true capabilities."</b><br /><br /><i>Admittedly I have no convincing answer to this. Does anybody else have?</i><br /><br />Meanwhile... Maj Navdeep reports:-<br /><br />http://www.indianmilitary.info/2013/07/fauj-can-wait-but-others-dont-have-to.htmlGiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014074073678521811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-1915806699729372532013-07-28T06:25:01.830-07:002013-07-28T06:25:01.830-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Giohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014074073678521811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-71419466010953215462013-07-28T04:52:53.618-07:002013-07-28T04:52:53.618-07:00@some:We as (ex)faujis need not get involved in so...@some:We as (ex)faujis need not get involved in so called vote bank politics as it is definitely going to side-track the main issue & the very idea is immature & deplorable.<br />We have been given a verdict in our favour & issue is that of its implementation & not a policy decision to be decided amongst politicians in the parliament.<br />HSC decision is binding on everybody.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394660264100745957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-63546195532815186532013-07-28T04:41:28.611-07:002013-07-28T04:41:28.611-07:00@Bala:I fully endorse your views & agree that ...@Bala:I fully endorse your views & agree that RDOA must only be an officers only body.However, each one of us interested in joining or supporting other orgs such as IESM etc can do so while still remaining an active member of RDOA.While saying this I am in no way going against the interests of non-offr veterans & lend full support to their cause & grievances. In future there will be many issues pertaining mainly to officers where RDOA will continue to play pivotal role. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394660264100745957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-86016609831774234922013-07-28T04:32:19.821-07:002013-07-28T04:32:19.821-07:00Dear all veterans,
Are all the comments/opinions...Dear all veterans,<br /> <br />Are all the comments/opinions published in this blog are from defence officers?I am in doubt.I feel some one else from other side is trying to divert the concentration from rank pay issue.what is this all about(individual taking up litigation in the apex court,renaming RDOA as RDPA,campaign of vote bank politics,etc).In my opinion, it is not the time to discuss this points when contempt petition has been decided.Opening multi front after HSC verdict, may not be in the interest of veterans.Amal Sarkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04410462541918553008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-8313818468199033152013-07-28T03:19:49.639-07:002013-07-28T03:19:49.639-07:00@Murarilal Agrawal: "..compaign of vote bank ...@Murarilal Agrawal: <i>"..compaign of vote bank politics.."</i><br /><br />As if political parties were not aware of this!<br /><br />How much of an electoral swing in any constituency, or even a municipal ward election, can be brought about by that brilliant idea?<br /><br />And what does it have to do with the subject of this blog post?corona8https://www.blogger.com/profile/14443791458911191943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-32424948443880184602013-07-28T00:01:11.493-07:002013-07-28T00:01:11.493-07:00Let us consider to start a compaign of vote bank p...Let us consider to start a compaign of vote bank politics. <br /> We must come up openly that if UPA/GOI/DM/MOD do not implement the HSC order dated 04 Sept 2012,none of the servicemen/ex servicemen will vote to parties in UPA and give the party who sort out the issue before election(some target date)<br />Once The compaign come to media/ social sites it will open EYES of all and UPA will have to act for obtaining votes <br />If UPA does not react NDA/AAP will react in our favour.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09263487860711444439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-18490266544597835322013-07-27T22:21:54.350-07:002013-07-27T22:21:54.350-07:00RDOA is primarily dealing with the RANK PAY CASE a...RDOA is primarily dealing with the RANK PAY CASE and not with other veterans' issues.It has taken up successfully the issue of Rank Pay anomaly created by the Babus while implementing 4th CPC wef from 1-1-1986 and is concentrating to ensure that HSC Decision is implemented in toto.Therefoe, suggesting to rename it to include all defence veterans may not be in order at present.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536051644843706618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-31644591218488418962013-07-27T20:13:37.474-07:002013-07-27T20:13:37.474-07:00@Alok Asthana: "...a retired defence personne...@Alok Asthana: <i>"...a retired defence personnel association...."</i><br />There are associations such as IESM, IESL, AIEWA which cater to the broader needs of veterans.<br /><br />That is not to say another association can't be started by those who feel the need to do so.<br /><br />But I feel that in the context of this blog-post and the issue of the rank pay litigation, RDOA is the one that needs to be focussed upon.corona8https://www.blogger.com/profile/14443791458911191943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-75005646665093771592013-07-27T19:44:44.885-07:002013-07-27T19:44:44.885-07:00@Aerial View
Your opinion and contention is perfe...@Aerial View<br /><br />Your opinion and contention is perfect , and absolutely correct.<br /><br />My contention is ,we as active members should also make efforts for larger support to RDOA by membership increase ,so that the association is more representative and can also meet required legal expenses .<br /><br />Several officers do come out with valid and useful points.<br /><br />The extent and volume of information that you have put on u blog is great and is giving strength to everybody . Great effort and action in furthering ,Rank Pay case..<br /><br />Officers should read through and participate in the efforts of the association -RDOA. <br /><br />@others.<br />This is the only association that has emerged and existing for officers , like other asso of IAS,IPS...etc.<br /><br />Other asso like IESM ,IESL ....etc are for everybody of Armed Forces.They deal with many other issues of veterans.RDOA is mainly for officers issues ,so that our interests are not diluted or relegated .officers can be members of more than one asso and pursue those issues concerning all ranks -incl officers.<br />,<br />balahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08915831413555890997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-27037588530158866642013-07-27T12:24:04.388-07:002013-07-27T12:24:04.388-07:00@Corona8- In mentioning the involvement of PBOR, I...@Corona8- In mentioning the involvement of PBOR, I was referring to the overall campaign for rights of the ex-servicemen community. Rather than have a retired defence OFFICERS association, it will be more useful to have a retired defence personnel association.<br />However, my communication was not clear and I put it under the wrong heading. <br />TOUCHÉAlok Asthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362507906160748320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-33261425773804480132013-07-27T10:11:08.470-07:002013-07-27T10:11:08.470-07:00@Alok Asthana:"..I wonder if it is a good thi...@Alok Asthana:<i>"..I wonder if it is a good thing to keep it at only the officers level..."</i><br /><br />That is a new one, if I may say so.<br /><br />Who else, other than Officers, was affected by the rank pay?<br />It'd be a little presumptuous to expect JCO's and below to fund litigartion not affecting them.<br /><br />IMHO.corona8https://www.blogger.com/profile/14443791458911191943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-2802045204250030142013-07-27T09:55:24.750-07:002013-07-27T09:55:24.750-07:00Delaying tactics.
On first hearing itself the case...Delaying tactics.<br />On first hearing itself the case will be decided in our favour & also the amount with interestAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394660264100745957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-59202819423572796682013-07-27T01:45:34.448-07:002013-07-27T01:45:34.448-07:00@bala et al,
Presumably you have considered that ...@bala et al,<br /><br />Presumably you have considered that individuals taking up litigation in the Apex Court would need legal papers and background information of oral arguments that were advanced by UoI as well as N.K. Nair & Others.<br /><br />While copies of some affidavits filed in the Apex Court, notings on MoD/Def Fin/CGDA/MoF file(s) and opinions of Min of Law & Justice have been made available through RTI, it does not include the line adopted in the oral arguments by UoI's law officers.<br /><br />In my humble opinion, unless the complete picture is available it would be an exercise in frustration for similarly situated officers/NoK to proceed legally on their own. The fees of eminent lawyers with the stature and legal acumen to argue the case where the Solicitor General of India is representing UoI, Expenses of travelling to & from New Delhi for every hearing, boarding & lodging, transportation etc need to be factored in.<br /><br />RDOA, in my considered opinion, has distinct advantages - it has all the legal documents, it has first hand knowledge and feel of the oral arguments, the thought process of the Hon'ble Justices, and is located in New Delhi, and Gp Capt (retd) Bhati are providing their legal services free, thereby minimising costs to many similarly situated officers and the NoK of deceased officers.<br /><br />While demanding/expressing opinions on what, when and how RDOA should take action, each one of us must consider the above and many more aspects.<br /><br />I feel we should let RDOA proceed and contribute to the cause as much as we can, over and above the Rs 1500/- for membership.<br /><br />Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-14919575243446819022013-07-27T01:41:26.536-07:002013-07-27T01:41:26.536-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-41896348460225513662013-07-26T23:00:37.096-07:002013-07-26T23:00:37.096-07:00I feel actions taken by Chairman COSC is the maxim...I feel actions taken by Chairman COSC is the maximum one can expect from him while in service.Path adopted by veterans under RDOA is the one which has brought us some positive results and it is RDOA team which should now move ahead with contempt proceedings since they were not part of the meeting called by Hon'ble RM.I shall also like to suggest that we must stand behind RDOA at the mement rather than trying for individual stuggle which helps Govt to further delay implementation of HSC in letter and spirit.We must this game plan of the Govt.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536051644843706618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-72572627708736334922013-07-26T22:32:47.813-07:002013-07-26T22:32:47.813-07:00@bala - Well said.
The retired community is a hig...@bala - Well said. <br />The retired community is a highly fragmented and mostly an ungrateful community. A lot of our associations are still stuck with the approach of appealing to a sense of fairness and justice in govt circles, bureaucracy and Indian society. Highly unrealistic and fancy ideas.<br />RDOA is the only association that has taken the right approach i.e. legal confrontation. They need to be supported all the way. All those who have received arrears may like to pay the small sum of Rs 1500/- as RDOA subscription. If many do, we can hire more muscle power. <br />Let's do it now or regret forever.<br /><br />P.S. I wonder if it is a good thing to keep it at only the officers level. Our strength is in the number of ex-soldiers ( PBOR ) spread all over India. We are simply squandering a valuable resource.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121677855050308582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-38351854079893168962013-07-26T22:18:20.423-07:002013-07-26T22:18:20.423-07:00 @ bala Sir : Well timed Master Stroke. May help t... @ bala Sir : Well timed Master Stroke. May help to add on members and resources.After all every action is outcome of applied idea/ thought. DS Ramakrishnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12434665067626784215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802975274436656078.post-86182925383205161732013-07-26T21:51:15.281-07:002013-07-26T21:51:15.281-07:00@bala:"...kind courtesy of DANAPALAN and RDOA...@bala:<i>"...kind courtesy of DANAPALAN and RDOA...."</i><br /><br />Let's not forget <b>N.K. Nair & Ors</b>.<br /><br />Also, how can AFs "<i>get a judicial order implemented</i>" as you have queried?<br /><br />The AFs are not litigants in the matter. The back-up received by way of intervention of Chairman COSC is an additional bonus for which one should be grateful, not churlish about.corona8https://www.blogger.com/profile/14443791458911191943noreply@blogger.com