It is presumed that the officers have started getting their arrears from CDAO Pune. Some are disappointed, others elated. Both situations are understandable. A scrutiny of the Due/drawn statement sent by CDAO would reveal that U have been paid only the difference in emoluments in cases where rank pay has been deducted. Perse the minimum of the pay for each rank has not been refixed. Court order clearly stipulated 'for refixation of pay without deduction of rank pay from 1/1/86'. So where ever rank pay has been part of pay fixation, that needs to be refixed and then arrears worked out.
For example a Brig was already drawing 5250/- as on 1/1/86 and Rs5100/- is the top of integrated scale, so the Brig is bound to get stagnated the moment deducted rank pay is restored. (As per drawn statement, he was fixed at 4950 plus rank pay of 1200). His due statement will show 5100 plus rank pay 1200. Diff will be 5100-4950=150. So until the integrated scale is refixed, Brig will considerably get less arrears. Please understand the massive damage done. Whereas Civ offrs drawing the same basic pay at III CPC moved to SAG scale of 5900-6700.
For example a Brig was already drawing 5250/- as on 1/1/86 and Rs5100/- is the top of integrated scale, so the Brig is bound to get stagnated the moment deducted rank pay is restored. (As per drawn statement, he was fixed at 4950 plus rank pay of 1200). His due statement will show 5100 plus rank pay 1200. Diff will be 5100-4950=150. So until the integrated scale is refixed, Brig will considerably get less arrears. Please understand the massive damage done. Whereas Civ offrs drawing the same basic pay at III CPC moved to SAG scale of 5900-6700.
Recent comments have forced RDOA to remind readers.
Kindly refrain from unsolicited
comments/behaviour on the blog. It is for pragmatic thinking and not a medium
for provocation.
The idea for a meeting with powers to be is past. RDOA had met in person the RM on earlier two occassions, once before we went to court and then again when the judgment was given in 2010.Outcome was denial and IA from UOI.
Be it MoD/CGDA/Def Fin, MOF, SC, all are aware what they are upto and the consequences of non compliance.
Kindly let RDOA handle the issue in the best interests of all.
The idea for a meeting with powers to be is past. RDOA had met in person the RM on earlier two occassions, once before we went to court and then again when the judgment was given in 2010.Outcome was denial and IA from UOI.
Be it MoD/CGDA/Def Fin, MOF, SC, all are aware what they are upto and the consequences of non compliance.
Kindly let RDOA handle the issue in the best interests of all.
19 comments:
very timely update. thanks a lot.
@ RDOA, Sir
Thanks for valuable and timely update and highly desired blessings as inhibitor, to arrest further chain-reactions of avoidable comments. Best regards.
A most timely intervention by @RDOA.
Whilst challenges posed by choice of syntax and phraseology in comments can be ignored, content amounting to rabble-rousing and attempts to incite would definitely be out of place on this blog.
One seriously hopes the message has gone home so that we can get down to applying our minds to the task at hand.
Thanks for the Update. We hope RDOA will continue fight and fight for the implementation of judgement under direct control of Supreme court to ensure the dues are paid to all effected officers and necessary punishment to all those involved for misconduct. Kindly give us the Bank Ac details of RDOA for transferring the money.Good luck RDOA
Just a curiosity! what would be the effect of this revision of Rank pay on the re employed officers during the duration of 1986 to 1996? The question arose in my mind since I was reemployed immediately after my retirement in Aug 1989 till 1993 first in the rank of Flt LT since my substantive rank was not yet released immediately after my retirement but was released almost after 2 years of my retirement, when I was reemployed in the vacancy of a Sqn Ldr.
I am yet to be paid any arrears for the revised rank pay & I just wonder if any arrears would accrue to me due to my reemployment besides revision of my pension , my gratuity & my my encashment of leave for 5 months as well as my commutation of pension .
I shall be highly grateful to any one who can enlighten me on the subject!
@gentle: As RDOA have pointed out, the task of obtaining a resolution of the revision of the IV CPC pay-scale is, as yet, an unresolved one.
I personally feel re-employment salary would get affected if the pay-scale gets revised and arrears would need to be considered based on such a revision.
On the re-employment in August 1989, as the re-employment salary would have commenced at the starting stage of Flt Lt without involving any revision of basic emoluments as on 01 Jan 86, I can't be sure whether arrears would accrue in terms of the current GOI letter.
But, perhaps, better minds than mine could offer clearer insights.
Good caution.pse do follow.
Now the issue and issues -
1.That point about Brig rk is highly relevant.pursue.
2..To day I heard fm a veteran that he got arrears of 2.14 lakhs,even after deduction of IT.G o o d , very,very good..He was in svc for almost 10 yrs ,fm 86 - 95 .Obviously he was Maj in 1986 and rk of Lt Col / Col in 1995.He is yet to rec/look , at that due drawn statement and understand !
3... Another vet rec 1.60 la and continued in svc even after 1996. His re fixation on 1.1.96 is probably awaited or ,yet to be resolved/decided ???.
4.... All these and other similar inputs require critically study and analysis to arrive at further course of action.
I SUGGEST VETERANS SHOULD INTERACT WITH OTHER VETERANS AND SERVING OFFRS -KEEP GATHERING DATA-STUDY & ANALYSIS - ADD UP IDEAS+THOUGHTS +POINTS +APPROACHES +ACTIONS....etc,both individually and collectively ,rather than wasting energy and effort on differing perceptions- comments-volley of counters.
I am interacting around telling vets- if u have rec DANAPALAN /RDOA (their effort )arrears,pse do contribute /share a fraction of u arrears - even small fraction - to either DANAPALAN and,or; RDOA fund , a sort of core/trust fund for all present and future actions and pursuits of officer cadre. Do incl, all serving and retd Chiefs and other Gens and equi who were CAPT- BRIGs in 1986 and rec some arrears-kind service ( with no svc tax ) /courtesy of DANAPALAN and RDOA.They could not have rec that amount ,but for DAN and RDOA. It is an idea,for veterans to write a small pers/DO letter to any such known /unknown Gen officer ( ser &retd ) to touch upon their inner senses ..Seek/invite their indulgence and participation in this struggle of PARITY.
my e mail id "abgreddy1@gmail.com".Only interaction and ideas pse.Contributions to regd gps such as RDOA,IESM...etc only.Pse do not attribute any pers motive.Welcome ! otherwise.
@gentle.
AFCAO have started paying RP and LE (leave encashment) arrears along with associated allowances, I understand starting with those who retired wef 1.1.86.
I took premature retirement wef Jul 87. I got small amount of my RP-dues along with despatch of revised LPS (Last Pay Slip), a few days back.
Enhanced pension dues are likely to follow thereafter along with despatch of revised PPO.
Let us ‘wait & watch’ till a better wisdom prevails on decision makers in MOD to accept obvious cascade effect on corresponding pay-scales during subsequent CPCs.
In my opinion after your reemployment you should get benefit of increase in pay of Flt Lt by an amount equal to its rank-pay along with associated allowances.
The starting stages in the running pay scale, starting with Capt, were 2800;3400;3900;4500;4950.
If the logic of revising the pay-scale with the now revised calculation finally prevails, where would the starting stages be?
Can anyone furnish the figures, please?
@ CL Bedi
Thx for the update sir. Thx RDOA blog.
Whenever the RDOA chooses to file the contempt petition, it should also include the prayer for exemption from tax on arrears and press for reconsideration of interest payment fron day1.
Regards
ON @ SUNLIT contention and approach to the issue-
1 .That ,pay scale-repeat,integrated pay scale of 4 th CPC is one and only one.( i.e ), 2300-5100. Of course , that EB stipulation /provision is only for efficiency /fitness . Those officers who rec sel gr pay in rk of MAJ prior to 1.1.1986 ( above 1800 of 3rd CPC ),have naturally passed/crossed that stipulated stage of EB.EB has nothing to do with rank/promotion.
2..In present situation after re- fixation of integrated pay (basic pay ),in that integrated pay scale- THE SCALE would get enhanced to higher level ,say 5600 or any other fig.
3...The so called -superimposition of minimum or maximum , for rks up to Brig is not relevant. It would be negation of that ; inherent , basic and fundamental principle of integrated pay is proportional to yrs of svc - rank pay being separate ,(i.e)higher rk pay for higher rk.
...... Therefore,it may not be relevant or necessary to fix those markers of min/max in that scale. On critical analysis of that invented/designed fixation formula of 1987 - it would be evident , that clause of min/max was introduced/inserted by those means of DGL (drart govt letters ).
Since HSC has finally adjudicated on that issue-all these associated and related issues have to be approached and resolved , in letter and spirit of that judgement.
Why should we , subject ourselves to those stipulations of min/max for any rank from 2/Lt to Brig. (i.e),all officers up to rk of Brig are legitimately eligible for same integrated pay as per their years of service.higher rk pay for higher rk.
IN FACT AND IN REALITY THIS IS NFFU WHICH IS INBUILT IN THAT ELONGATED SCALE OF PB-4 . Of course ,other aspects of parity of grade pay and basic pay in comparison with GP -A and other cl-1 ser of GOI is to be achieved /derived..The disparity has cropped up due to all those omissions/errors/faulty inputs to 5 th and 6 th CPCs .
@bala:"...Why should we , subject ourselves to those stipulations of min/max for any rank..."
Look at my query from a more basic, down-to-earth point of view.
On 01 Jan 86, a Capt, just promoted to that rank with 6 years of service would have been drawing a III CPC basic pay amounting to Rs. X. With the now amended formula as per the judgement, ie without deduction of RP, that Capt's (just promoted and with 6 yrs of service) BP would be Rs. Y.
Similarly for a Maj, Lt Col, Col, Brig.
All I needed to know was the refixed BP (without deduction of RP) of each rank for Officers who had just completed the requisite service for each rank as applicable at the time.
My query is not related to any approach, as you have put it. It certainly is no contention of any sort. Its just a request for some data.
Let me add some more pts to ibid -
The premise and mind set of rank related approach to basic pay progression and then putting barriers to increase in basic pay with conflicting and contradictory DGLs from time to time from depts of MOD ,incl services HQ has been cause all these ills.
4 th CPC int scale and then 6 th CPC elongated scale PB-4 , are naturally evolved after extensive study and analysis.Of course , the fitment/fixation has gone wrong because of that mind set and distortion of basic considerations and principles . This resulted with lower fixation on 1.1.2006 as compared to other GOI services ( abetted by incorrect/false projections and inputs..at CPCs, and the babus taking advantage of inconsistency by SERVICES.
...The 5 th CPC creation of bands ( number of bands ) instead one common and long scale, Was an attempt of deprivation and a retrograde step. An attempt to divide and deprive that non selection grade ranks and lower rank ( COL ) of legitimate pay and pension. Because of these bands and binding to min in that band, pensions of veteran officersmof rks up to MAJ GEN have gone down.
Please do stretch u thinking and express for greater resolution and remedial actions.
I, only hope that Services would not propose bands again for 7 th CPC. Here veteran asso/ gps have to take initiative with strong inputs/projections. Otherwise,this ...would go on ..and on ....and on ,every time trying to fight decade old anomalies created by.... and then GOI saying -we have increased several times.since 1.1.86 ;as if some charity is thrown with that ill conceived name of dept -welfare .DESW instead of pay and pension dept,like other services of GOI.
@ SUNLIT-
The fig u are searching.yes , it would be at higher than earlier fig ,with those re fixation of additional amounts of rk pay getting added to Capt,MAJ and LT COl. That large gap of 39oo-45oo for Lt Col and Col would be reduced,with enhancement to all ranks.
Yes, i do, complement your efforts on these issues.
Yes,i have not been able to fix fig of min to the rks Capt - Brig. I stand corrected . Thank u !
sir,
for your information only
1.The U/s IC 24548K Lt.Col. Murarilal agrawal Received as revised pay as on 1-1-86 Rs 4200+600=4800/- against Pre revised 3500+600=4100/-
2. My date of commission 14-61970 and two years ante date .
3.Promoted to Major 15.12-81
4. Promoted Lt. col. (TS)15-12-89
5.Pre matured retirement 20-5-91.
6 On retirement, My pre revised pay was 4050+800=4850 and revised now to 4950+600=5550.
with regards Murari
@Murarilal Agrawal: is it possible for you to share how your emoluments were originally revised as on 01-01-86 ie as (unrevised III cpc bp)+da+ir+(20% of unrevised bp)?
Also could you let us know how much bp has been fixed as on 01 jan 86 after the judgement?
Please don't add the +600 part as that can cause confusion as the requirement is to learn how the BP has been fixed post the GOI letter.
Thanks.
Confusion repeat Confusion. Who is responsible for all these confusion.Please wait for 7th CPC. Thanks
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